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we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on. congress back in session and trying to deal with the fiscal cliff. so is president obama. all anybody is talking about is all of the latest with the david petraeus sex scandal. think about it. two generals, two famous generals, two top generals, two women. you got politics involved. you got the military involved. you got maybe national security documents involved. i'm telling you, how long before we see the hollywood movie? which is going to be first? the book or the movie or the tv series? who knows. maybe all three. we'll get into that and a whole lot more here on our "full court press." we've got the ground covered for you from politics to
we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on. congress back in session and trying...
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john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross reforms. that means things like lowers rates, and closing loopholes. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money, and they have said they weren't it to be revenue neutral. the president has been very clear, that the higher-income people have to pay their fair share. >> that means no deal from the democrats if republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy, but pelosi says she is optimistic. more john coming up after the break. stay with us. ♪ created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick lo
john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross...
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nancy pelosi and john boehner met with the president this morning. with six weeks left to go, work has to be done quickly. rebecca is live with more on the talks. >> the calendar is showing it is just a few weeks until we fall off the so-called fiscal cliff. that is when extended unemployment benefits will expire, tax cuts will expire, and the automatic spending cuts will go into effect. today congressional leaders were promising they would meet the deadline. >> inside the white house republican house speaker john boehner and president obama sat side by side both insisting they want and will find macdill. >> our challenge is to make sure that we are able to cooperate, work together, find common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the people's business. >> coming out of the meeting are rare image of bipartisan ship. >> we have the recognition that every person in america knows we would not reach agreement. >> we are prepared to put everything on the table provided we fixed the problem. however, we are in the dilemma we are
nancy pelosi and john boehner met with the president this morning. with six weeks left to go, work has to be done quickly. rebecca is live with more on the talks. >> the calendar is showing it is just a few weeks until we fall off the so-called fiscal cliff. that is when extended unemployment benefits will expire, tax cuts will expire, and the automatic spending cuts will go into effect. today congressional leaders were promising they would meet the deadline. >> inside the white...
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second, he's rejecting the john boehner approach which is boehner saying i'll agree to revenues as long as they come as a result of economic growth. in other words, we won't legislate changes in taxes. we'll hope that revenues go up. he's saying no, that won't work for me. you're not going to legislate spending cuts. this is the president talking. not legislate revenue changes as well. >> bill: all right. so there are -- the most immediate decision maybe facing the congress is that as you point out, all of the bush tax cuts expire. which means not only the taxes -- tax cuts for the wealthy expire, the tax cuts for those making under $250,000 a year expire as well. so the president said friday all right, the senate has already passed a bill which would give extended tax cutless for the 98%, those making under $250,000. but let the ones for the wealthier people and defined as over $250,000 expire. and he challenged the house of representatives to pass that. what do you think -- so this is a real -- to me, this is like they've got the gun to their head. are you going to pass the tax cut fo
second, he's rejecting the john boehner approach which is boehner saying i'll agree to revenues as long as they come as a result of economic growth. in other words, we won't legislate changes in taxes. we'll hope that revenues go up. he's saying no, that won't work for me. you're not going to legislate spending cuts. this is the president talking. not legislate revenue changes as well. >> bill: all right. so there are -- the most immediate decision maybe facing the congress is that as you...
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if what speaker boehner was saying he was truly willing to get office ready we begin to work with one another. if what he is simply saying is what republicans used to say which is we are going to lower rate on the wealthy and that will somehow generate -- >> he was talking about closing loopholes and deductions. >> the jury is out still on the -- let me be clear. the tone was good. i think the jury is out on what he said. others may have to clarify. but he said something in a very hurtf artful way in which many people heard differently. >> are you willing to accept more revenue if it doesn't mean the bush tax cut has to be rescinded for the wealthy and rises from 35 to 39 percent. if they make the matt work. >> the issue is the math. the starting point should be going back to clinton era rates. then proceeding with tax reform as the speaker may have been talking about if he was generally talking about eliminating revenues to eliminating loopholes. >> let's right now extend the bush tax cut rates for the 98 percent of the people making less than 250,000 dollars. he says i will sign it
if what speaker boehner was saying he was truly willing to get office ready we begin to work with one another. if what he is simply saying is what republicans used to say which is we are going to lower rate on the wealthy and that will somehow generate -- >> he was talking about closing loopholes and deductions. >> the jury is out still on the -- let me be clear. the tone was good. i think the jury is out on what he said. others may have to clarify. but he said something in a very...
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quick to say yeah, let's follow the boehner thing. when you look at what boehner is saying about how to avoid the fiscal cliff he's not saying we're going to agree with president obama on anything yet right? >> not yet. at least publicly, he's just reheating the old romney proposal which is if you close deductions, that's where you get your revenue. not from letting the high end tax cuts expire. the high-end tax cuts expire. what obama had been campaigning on and what voters want overwhelmingly. so you know, the administration has actually been fairly optimistic about where boehner is and negotiating with boehner and negotiating maybe with some of the rank and file who are more likely to come to an agreement. maybe go into the senate. and doing this very publicly. they're meeting with a lot of groups with labor groups, with business groups and they've learned their lesson. this idea that in 2011 last year, they could just sit in a room with boehner, hatch out a deal and all would be done. clearly didn't work out very well. after the e
quick to say yeah, let's follow the boehner thing. when you look at what boehner is saying about how to avoid the fiscal cliff he's not saying we're going to agree with president obama on anything yet right? >> not yet. at least publicly, he's just reheating the old romney proposal which is if you close deductions, that's where you get your revenue. not from letting the high end tax cuts expire. the high-end tax cuts expire. what obama had been campaigning on and what voters want...
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boehner seemed to be saying i am going to close loopholes and use the revenue. not just growth, but use the re-knew from closing the loopholes to cut the deficit. are you accepting that or not? >> i think that is the formul formula. that is the way we reach agreement. you can close the loophole -- >> chris: it's not the growth. taking the money, tax expenditures through the loopholes and giving, using it as a deficit savings. >> as long as you close the loopholes and limit the deduction, limit credits. formula for a solution. >> real solution. >> chris: senator corker, you have a draft plan you have been circulating to a number of members in the senate. is there a deal here? >> i think there is a deal. the ying and yang of this is we know there has to be revenues. look, i haven't met a wealthy republican or democrat in tennessee that is not willing to contribute more. as long as they know we the problem. the ying of revenue, we understand. i think there is a very good pro-growth way of putting that place, so you are getting revenues from people like me and other
boehner seemed to be saying i am going to close loopholes and use the revenue. not just growth, but use the re-knew from closing the loopholes to cut the deficit. are you accepting that or not? >> i think that is the formul formula. that is the way we reach agreement. you can close the loophole -- >> chris: it's not the growth. taking the money, tax expenditures through the loopholes and giving, using it as a deficit savings. >> as long as you close the loopholes and limit the...
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they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you cannot tax your way out of this debt, you cannot slash expenses and get out of this in debt. you have got to do both. >> somewhat gradually. >> the president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal -- for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut expenses by $2. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. the republicans want zero. >> but they have the business community that does not want us to go for the cliff -- >> if you use a different language, are there republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50
they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you...
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boehner. wasn't he tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment because i've watched him for years, too. my friend have sisters in college, and i guess he's really popular in dorms. >> stephanie: he's dreamy. >> caller: in dorm rooms. people have pictures of him in their dorm rooms. >> stephanie: really? i can't wait to tease him about that. >> caller: politics, i'm just a housewife, and i hear stories about college but we're not there. >> stephanie: he's like a political geek liker beat. >> like shawn cassidy of the political world. >> caller: they were talking about religion on the last sh
boehner. wasn't he tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment...
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>> now boehner we're back to where we were before the election in some respects. there is a significant core of the republican party that simply will not raise taxes under any sixths. they will not raise rates. they still feel that they are pledged to grover norquist, maybe not to the american people. not to the constitution, but to grover norquist. therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he did when this negotiation took place lose yearlastyear. does he have the political strength because his party lost, can he look eric cantor in the eye and other republican leaders in the eye and say we have no choice but to cut a deal
>> now boehner we're back to where we were before the election in some respects. there is a significant core of the republican party that simply will not raise taxes under any sixths. they will not raise rates. they still feel that they are pledged to grover norquist, maybe not to the american people. not to the constitution, but to grover norquist. therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner...
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speaker boehner was asked this week whether the republican drive to kill obamacare, is dead. here's what he said: >> it is pretty clear the president was reelected. obamacare is the law of the land. >> chris: question: do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner, repeal of obamacare with this election, with his re-election, is dead? >> no. as a physician i can tell you that the reason -- we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election, we're opposed because it is bad policy and bad for the patients across this land. we actually must get a handle on this spending in this country and in order to do that, it has to be through medicare and medicaid reform an social security reform, all three programs under current law are destined for fewer. we need fundamental reforms to save and strengthen and secure the programs for this generation and, future generations, that is what really -- >> the election, yes, you still have the majority in the house but you lost the election on the presidential level, and you will not kill obamacare for the
speaker boehner was asked this week whether the republican drive to kill obamacare, is dead. here's what he said: >> it is pretty clear the president was reelected. obamacare is the law of the land. >> chris: question: do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner, repeal of obamacare with this election, with his re-election, is dead? >> no. as a physician i can tell you that the reason -- we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the...
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>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the program. i'm joined by the one and only congressman barney frank. congressman, thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. for >> eliot: for all the good well and happy talk is there a deal being framed up right now? >> i don't know. i hope there is. we've known there was substantively, but there has to be republicans who understand that sticking with this deficit reduction coming out of domestic programs, and you expand military spending, and you don't increase tax on the wealthy clearly the election said that's not the right way to go. i know the
>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the...
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the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort of automatic cuts that we see as a sequester, and the tax increases and have a mechanism you can replace them with. listen to the congressional leaders in their photo op in the white house before thanksgiving that they had today. >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have a cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. >> we fully understand
the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous consumers before the christmas holidays and, investors because the stock market is done a thousand points. >> everyone is nervous about this. this is the last chance and the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood but the way they'll solve this, is kind of hostage exchange, in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up and the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue and, it is possible to do this and the president is going along, it seems, with it some idea of entitlement reform, that
. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous...
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are born here, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done. whatever little penalties you want to put in there. then it's done. >> pathway to citizenship, done. where was all this talk before the election? you see this is all about getting votes. it's not coming from the heart. reforming immigration policy is a huge risk for the republicans. they could alienate their base. there's no guarantee they will win the latino vote in the long run. let's turn to ruy teixeira. great to have you with us. >> delighted to be here. >> you predicted thi
john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are...
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[applause] >> your advice to the president and speaker boehner? >> compromise and do the right thing. the solution is out there. let's get with it. now is the magic moment. it's our responsibility. >> with that i want to thank both you. we're out of time here. in fact, i'm going to rush over to a bloomberg television camera to take a look at more of your time. the conversation will continue here at this summer. thank you all of you for joining us. thank you to the two of you. >> thank you. >> again, appreciate your work as well. we will be right back in just a moment as we continue here at this fiscal summit. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible conversations] >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the president of the peter g. peterson foundation, michael peterson. [applause] >> while politics is often centerstage, policy and substance will form the basis of many fiscal agreement. we at the peterson foundation believe that the mortgages and the more solutions brought to the table, the better. out initia
[applause] >> your advice to the president and speaker boehner? >> compromise and do the right thing. the solution is out there. let's get with it. now is the magic moment. it's our responsibility. >> with that i want to thank both you. we're out of time here. in fact, i'm going to rush over to a bloomberg television camera to take a look at more of your time. the conversation will continue here at this summer. thank you all of you for joining us. thank you to the two of you....
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boehner says the president has to say it. it may well be because the president has the upper hand on taxes and can do nothing which is what the congress is best at and have those taxes expire and come back and cut them on everybody but the top 2%, that may well be the strategy we end up with. the bigger thing that's not in this discussion that i find particularly disturbing is essentially this kind of a late consensus to use this fake crisis to focus on deficit reduction is highjacking the debate we ought to have on how to get this economy working for the vast majority of americans and how to get people back to work. we ought to be having that debate and they've got to push hard simply to get on the agenda. >> it's amazing a great point and shows why the president is not remotely progressive. he's having the debate totally on republican grounds as if they won. no no, no! we won! we won! we should be talking about jobs, increasing taxes. i'm not entered in $3 trillion in spending cuts. the republicans want that, good luck to y
boehner says the president has to say it. it may well be because the president has the upper hand on taxes and can do nothing which is what the congress is best at and have those taxes expire and come back and cut them on everybody but the top 2%, that may well be the strategy we end up with. the bigger thing that's not in this discussion that i find particularly disturbing is essentially this kind of a late consensus to use this fake crisis to focus on deficit reduction is highjacking the...
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements, he said it's time for the president to leave. no it's time for him to leave. he has literally been unable to lead his caucus. this fiscal cliff that we are about to embark on if we don't get changes particularly on that side of the aisle is going to be his responsibility more than anybody else. >> stephanie: i'm looking a the a graph right in front of me. small businesses grew twice as fast with clinton tax rates. that's what we're talking about, right? >> caller: absolutely. you look at how we ended up with, you know, no deficit, et cetera. you can't organs that. i
. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements,...
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boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people with sort of the seeing this game of chicken being played at such a high stakes time. i think there is certainly, after this election, there is kind of a let's get down to business. let's see if we can get this thing done. whether that can translate -- david just said, the biggest sticking point, taxes on the wealthy is still on the table. you can sing happy birthday to john boehner as much as you want. gwen: he would still say no. >> absolutely. i think it's really premature to try to predict what is going to ha
boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people...